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Post by rednoggy on Aug 9, 2022 17:16:33 GMT
Must admit I find life too short to care. Understand why it bothers others though.
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Post by rossi46 on Aug 9, 2022 17:38:56 GMT
Is it only the online capabilities of downloaded games that will disappear?
Or will all titles evaporate, like ps3 Daytona, etc?
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Post by megamixer on Aug 9, 2022 17:55:10 GMT
Is it only the online capabilities of downloaded games that will disappear? Or will all titles evaporate, like ps3 Daytona, etc? Well I assume there will come a point when the servers are simply closed off, so no more re-downloading of stuff you already bought etc. I won't imagine that games will start disappearing; it will be more like "the servers close on X date, you have until then to buy what you are interested in"
Obviously online play and access to updates/patches will get nuked at the same time.
With the Wii, the online capabilities were closed down as was the shop channel for digital games. Apparently they left the function to access stuff you already paid for, but the Wii shop channel was down for ages with a mysterious error code that Nintendo never acknowledged, making even past purchases inaccessible. Whether they fixed this, I don't know.
But, ultimately, there will come a time for all consoles when they are so old that upkeep of old servers will be deemed no longer viable and Sony, Nintendo etc. will naturally scrap them. After all, they won't be making any money from them anymore so maintenance is pure expenditure. I assume they also get easier for hackers to breach without active modernisation.
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Post by kerr9000 on Aug 9, 2022 18:24:35 GMT
The interactive stuff on the Wii homescrewn was always mildly entertaining. Really disappointed when they shit that down as it didn't seem like it would've taken much for them to leave it active. One was just daily questions with stats, and the Mii competition channel too. Nintendo have often been good for having cool channels and little jingles and such, its a real shame the Switch is so boring in comparison, no fun channels or themes or anything. |
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Post by rossi46 on Aug 9, 2022 21:16:19 GMT
Physical copies FTW then? 😀
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Post by mattb on Aug 9, 2022 23:54:55 GMT
The Wii and DSi eShops have been back up for a while now. For downloads only, that is; new purchases ended a while back.
I doubt they get used that much and it really shouldn't be costing a lot to maintain them now that they don't have to deal with the security issues of payments and purchasing any more.
It'd be nice to see a firm commitment to keep them going indefinitely, or at least until a set date a long time in the future. However, it's not like everything you could have downloaded from them anyway hasn't already been dumped and archived in any case. The same is already true of the 3DS and Wii U eShops, for what it's worth, although don't let that put anyone off having a final splurge while you can still actually buy stuff. The developers will be thankful, at the very least.
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Post by mattb on Aug 10, 2022 0:21:41 GMT
Physical copies FTW then? 😀 Not really.
Practically everything needs a day one patch to be downloaded these days, without which it's going to be severely broken if not unplayable.
Owners of third party Switch games get a particularly raw deal as a lot of them are supplied on 8GB cartridges to cut costs, with a big download to get the rest of the game. Sometimes these require single use codes in the box so you can't even trade them onward.
Things aren't necessarily that great for Xbox owners either as a lot of the cross-generation titles ship with just the common assets on the disc and you have to download the rest through what Microsoft calls 'Smart Delivery.' PlayStation cross generational support, where available, is handled similarly.
Even the Evercade supports patches for its cartridges, which is just as well seeing as they've stuffed up a few of them.
That's not to say that there aren't good reasons for still collecting on physical media, but the idea that they're future proof against server shutdowns looks a bit shaky these days.
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Post by RetroBob on Aug 10, 2022 9:46:39 GMT
Physical copies FTW then? 😀 Not really.
Practically everything needs a day one patch to be downloaded these days, without which it's going to be severely broken if not unplayable.
Owners of third party Switch games get a particularly raw deal as a lot of them are supplied on 8GB cartridges to cut costs, with a big download to get the rest of the game. Sometimes these require single use codes in the box so you can't even trade them onward.
Things aren't necessarily that great for Xbox owners either as a lot of the cross-generation titles ship with just the common assets on the disc and you have to download the rest through what Microsoft calls 'Smart Delivery.' PlayStation cross generational support, where available, is handled similarly.
Even the Evercade supports patches for its cartridges, which is just as well seeing as they've stuffed up a few of them.
That's not to say that there aren't good reasons for still collecting on physical media, but the idea that they're future proof against server shutdowns looks a bit shaky these days.
Totally agree. Until about 2-3 years ago I was all physical media all the time primarily for ownership purposes. However, as I got in to the Xbox One it became very clear that whilst you could still buy physical media, they had made it essentially pointless since it still always required a download to play, meaning the benefit of having the physical media "because I'll have the game when they turn of the servers" was neutralised. As a result I now typically buy physical on Switch and am considering an Evercade, but for all intents and purposes, physical is now totally pointless on the high end/current gen consoles. |
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Post by oldtimer on Aug 10, 2022 13:47:14 GMT
Satellaview services , ok we never had them here but lots of good stuff lost for ever although i do have 2 or 3 games on backup carts i bought a few years ago.
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Post by kerr9000 on Aug 10, 2022 14:45:01 GMT
Satellaview services , ok we never had them here but lots of good stuff lost for ever although i do have 2 or 3 games on backup carts i bought a few years ago. Thats the SNES service with the BS Zelda stuff right? |
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Post by icemann on Aug 10, 2022 18:01:20 GMT
The mobile version of Dungeon Keeper is one for me *dodges rotten tomatoes*.
Now I COMPLETELY get why people hate it, as it is very different to the PC originals. I'm a lover of tower defence games though, so for me this game was legendary, as it gave you a static base to plan out long term base management. Like say, over the next X months I'm going to beef up my air defences. And the weekly tournaments always provided an incentive to keep playing, even when most of the original player base had left (which made ranking high in said tournaments quite easy). I never spent a dollar on it, despite the game being microtransaction heavy. Made for a good challenge in seeing how well I could go without spending anything. Played it from it's initial launch up to a few months ago. Game was around for 8 years.
Did a review of the game on my channel:
Not played it since then after EA announced they were shutting it down early this month.
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Post by megamixer on Aug 10, 2022 18:03:28 GMT
Yeah, new game discs are essentially coasters now. By the end of the game's life, there is often more DLC, updates, and patches than original content (at least it feels that way anyway - not sure about actual data sizes). They still have a few advantages though:
1. Can shop around for a deal or wait, whereas the digital version may remain a high price or not get discounted anywhere near as much
2. Trade-in value - obviously zero with digital
You have to research though. Anything with voucher codes in the box is worthless once you've used it. Street Fighter V updated physical editions for example: all of the bundled extra content is on that code, so the disc is useless used. I couldn't even bring myself to sell base SFV or Arcade Edition for this reason and dumped them in a charity shop bag.
Complete editions are the ones to buy and keep but you have to ensure that the data is actually on the disc. Even then there will still be updates. I bought The King of Fighters XIV Ultimate Edition, for example, and it still downloaded all the same updates and crap that the base edition had.
I would honestly move to a digital-only for modern stuff but my internet speed is shit and I can't justify upgrading it yet when I don't game as much as I used to, and don't invest a lot of time into TV/film to make a streaming service worthwhile. I want the Tekken 7 Complete/Ultimate (whatever it's called) edition but I can't bring myself to buy and download that beast with all the years of seasons, DLC, add-ons, updates it has had...it must be a monstrous download.
Secondly, I just can't let go of being able to wait for physical bargains and know that I can sell/trade-in old stuff if I don't want it. There's no way I will take a chance on an unknown game digitally, at full RRP, if I know I can't re-sell it and recoup SOME money if the game turns out to be pap.
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Post by AlexH on Aug 11, 2022 20:41:09 GMT
We were lucky to get an English language version of Weapon Shop De Omasse at all, as it was originally considered to be too niche a game to be worth translating. I'm glad they did though. The rest of the Guild series are also worth a look. They're mostly the sort of wild, crazy inventive games that won't necessarily review well, but still build up cult followings because there's nothing quite like them. I found The Starship Damrey to be the most out there; you start out in the dark, without a clue as to what to do, and take it from there. I think I have two of the other Guild Series games, one is Attack of the Friday monsters or something. I didn't realise they were the same makers. I have The Starship Damrey and Attack of the Friday Monsters. I must get around to trying them! I thought The Starship Damrey looked especially intriguing. |
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Post by kerr9000 on Aug 11, 2022 20:42:43 GMT
I never got in to Friday Monsters I need to give that another bash some time.
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Post by AlexH on Aug 11, 2022 20:46:23 GMT
Not really.
Practically everything needs a day one patch to be downloaded these days, without which it's going to be severely broken if not unplayable.
Owners of third party Switch games get a particularly raw deal as a lot of them are supplied on 8GB cartridges to cut costs, with a big download to get the rest of the game. Sometimes these require single use codes in the box so you can't even trade them onward.
Things aren't necessarily that great for Xbox owners either as a lot of the cross-generation titles ship with just the common assets on the disc and you have to download the rest through what Microsoft calls 'Smart Delivery.' PlayStation cross generational support, where available, is handled similarly.
Even the Evercade supports patches for its cartridges, which is just as well seeing as they've stuffed up a few of them.
That's not to say that there aren't good reasons for still collecting on physical media, but the idea that they're future proof against server shutdowns looks a bit shaky these days.
Totally agree. Until about 2-3 years ago I was all physical media all the time primarily for ownership purposes. However, as I got in to the Xbox One it became very clear that whilst you could still buy physical media, they had made it essentially pointless since it still always required a download to play, meaning the benefit of having the physical media "because I'll have the game when they turn of the servers" was neutralised. As a result I now typically buy physical on Switch and am considering an Evercade, but for all intents and purposes, physical is now totally pointless on the high end/current gen consoles. I have a friend with a Switch and not much in the way of an Internet connection, and he seems to be doing okay with physical releases. But yeah, you have made me wonder about the physical games I've bought with the hope of playing them one day. I do hate the trend of "free updates" when it's basically an unfinished game that was originally released. Switch Sports and Mario Golf being two recent examples. |
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